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min meleth uireb wrote:

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I'll give it to you, Bella isn't much of a role model. I don't think she's meant to be...

But basically, the whole thing with everyone being attracted to her is supposed to be something odd and supernatural, not your usual extreme beauty and charisma that normally nearly universally attracts guys. Bella's not described as being very pretty, and is an introvert, but something about her, the thing that keeps Edward from killing her, attracts uber-hot vampires and a werewolf, and a good amount of human guys. (Humans might get sick of her. I dunno. Or maybe they too can sense whatever is supernaturally weird with her).

The thing that keeps Edward from killing her is that he's another one of those granola vamps who only eats animals. Plus, she apparently smells like freesia. Lame.

iheartjosh330 wrote:

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Hey, don't like the book if you don't want to, but this is the best book that I've read in a long time!! I don't think Bella is meant to be a role model. If you are that desperate for someone to look up to, you shouldn't be reading books! Of all things...

And if you haven't noticed, it IS fiction. You can expect things to not be realistic because they aren't meant to be. When is the last time you saw a vampire??

It isn't about reading a book to ''look up to'' a character. It's about being able to respect a fictional character as they are represented in the novel, so that hopefully the reader can empathize with poor miserable Bella and her unhappy, sulk-worthy, glare-worthy, mutter-filled life.

And personally, I don't think that Bella IS all that realistic. The only people I can think of who would naturally be THAT clumsy and/or have THAT little common sense probably have some kind of neurological or inner ear problem.

Bella has given herself over completely to a romance that had very little development before all of a sudden, Edward is saving her from rampaging mini-vans and she's falling desperately in love. I think that kind of co-dependency and subservient attitude within a relationship are very dangerous, and not something that younger girls - I know that the teenies love these books - should be reading. It gives them the wrong impression of how healthy relationships between young people are supposed to go, and THAT is what I have the biggest problem with.

Bella has normal angsty teenaged-girl faults, which at least is good. When I was her age, I had friends who acted JUST like her, and as far as the sulking is concerned, my brother gives her a run for her money!

I just don't like reading about somebody who whinges all the time

I am actually quite interested to see how Stephane Meyer handles this next book, since the gauntlet has been thrown down on what was only a tentative love triangle. I am VERY surprised by Edward's reasonableness in this situation, though I worry about Bella and her overwhelming guilt. You really can't help who you love - though Jacob, that sneaky wretch, certainly had some naughty ideas when it came to helping her discover her feelings! Reading that part was HAWT!

It does kind of seem like Meyer wrote these books as an extension of her own fantasies as a young woman - though we do know it came from a dream she had. I mean, who wouldn't want to be the object of the affection of every cute boy in school without even having to try?

And don't give me that ''Mom'' nonsense. This is a discussion and I'm not being aggressive towards you, so back off.

I work at Barnes & Noble and somebody ordered a special edition version of Eclipse -- I got to read the first chapter of BD at work today! If you have the chance to get your hands on a copy, you really should check it out! I think BD is going to be very, VERY interesting. It's the last book, so I'll be curious to see how she ties up all her loose ends.

I would like to see Bella do the following:
- Develop a hobby (photography, painting, international cuisine, collecting bad science fiction novels, etc.)
- Graduate high school! (very important)
- Stick up for herself more
- Use the good sense that God gave her!
- Treat Jacob a little better (he's a sneak, but he's also a very sensitive young man)

Also, I'm wondering why Bella is so impervious to Edward's mind-reading and such. I can't imagine that it's anything related to her genealogy; in Amelia Atwater-Rhodes' ''Demon in My View'', the main character is attractive to vampiric kind because her mother was turned while she was still in the womb. When her mother became human again, twenty years later (!), she was finally born. So she has traces of the bloodsucking in her 'aura'.

My icon is a ''Wee Me''. I really like it - it's basically me! Short blonde hair, glasses, sweater. I thought the 'mom' crack was more about my tone. Now I know!